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		<title>By: JDL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just left a chat room on Paltalk that I have been visting for awhile. The real feelings came out from these so called Conservative Christians. The conversation was in regards to the Black Panthers situation in standing outside voting booths with clubs intimidating voters. I mentioned let them try that in a Jewish Community. I was attacked by a gentleman saying the Jewish Community overwhelmingly voted for Obama and put him in the White House and the Jews will not do a damn thing to Obama&#039;s thugs due to the Jewish Support of Obama. I told the room I was not going to be abused by this person ( whom happens to be a room regular and Black). I also mentioned the fact is these thugs wanted to start up this crap in the Jewish Communities the JDL as a group would grow strong again to deal with this issue. I went in under another nic and the room guest were asking questions on why the Jews keep supporting the Democratic Party since the Republicans are more supportive of Israel in both money and prayers and general support. I have to say that support always comes with a noose and if you do not toll the line the noose gets tighter and if too tight...You will die..Wake up Jewish People.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just left a chat room on Paltalk that I have been visting for awhile. The real feelings came out from these so called Conservative Christians. The conversation was in regards to the Black Panthers situation in standing outside voting booths with clubs intimidating voters. I mentioned let them try that in a Jewish Community. I was attacked by a gentleman saying the Jewish Community overwhelmingly voted for Obama and put him in the White House and the Jews will not do a damn thing to Obama&#8217;s thugs due to the Jewish Support of Obama. I told the room I was not going to be abused by this person ( whom happens to be a room regular and Black). I also mentioned the fact is these thugs wanted to start up this crap in the Jewish Communities the JDL as a group would grow strong again to deal with this issue. I went in under another nic and the room guest were asking questions on why the Jews keep supporting the Democratic Party since the Republicans are more supportive of Israel in both money and prayers and general support. I have to say that support always comes with a noose and if you do not toll the line the noose gets tighter and if too tight&#8230;You will die..Wake up Jewish People.</p>
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		<title>By: pumpkin pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>pumpkin pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 06:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dacon9,

I really did not intend to post here again as I don&#039;t want to intrude here; however, it was nice of you to say what you said and I am honored that you want to hear more from me, so I can&#039;t ignore that.  

 I&#039;m  bit leery of saying more than I had already said, though.  For one thing, I don&#039;t want to cause arguments, and I&#039;m afraid of being misunderstood.  

I would like Christians to leave Jews alone as far as the whole conversion thing  goes.  I think it causes hard feelings, and it is disrespectful for a Christian who doesn&#039;t even understand Jewish beliefs to come along and tell a Jew that they are wrong.  When you couple that ignorance with a very disgraceful history of Christian persecution of Jews, it&#039;s no wonder that many Jews are very skeptical of us.   I&#039;m somewhat amazed that a Jew will even speak to a Christian.

The problem is that Christians don&#039;t really know much about Judaism except that Jews don&#039;t accept Jesus as the Messiah.  But other than that, they are pretty much ignorant and would be hard pressed to tell you anything else other than maybe Jews aren&#039;t supposed to eat pork.  

I would like to see more Christians offer Jews unconditional love and support instead of only being interested in them to convert them.   I also would like to see Christians try to understand Judaism more instead of just thinking that Jews are condemned to hell because they don&#039;t believe in Jesus. 

You asked what my church teaches vs. what I have found to be true.  Well, that&#039;s a very heavy question and really I would need to write a book to anwer.   But a few things I believe where i part ways with most other Christians is that I do not believe Jews are condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus.  and I do not believe that God is &quot;done&quot; with the Jews and that Christians have replaced them as the apple of G-d&#039;s eye. 

 I believe that Christians have a duty to G-d to protect and support Jews, that we must pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and that God will bless those who bless his people, the Jews.   

I also believe in Jesus, and you don&#039;t, and there we will just have to agree to disagree.

I believe that the existence of Jews on this earth proves that G-d exists and it proves that God has not abandoned the Jews.  Look at all Jews have gone through in their history:  slavery, wars, diaspora, pogroms, persecution, the Holocaust.  AND YET THEY ARE STILL HERE as a unique people with a unique culture, even though still scattered all over the world.   No other people could go through so much and still retain their identity.  But Jews have done it.  It proves Gd&#039;s very existence.     

I&#039;m sorry you&#039;ve had bad experiences with Christians and find that their friendship seems to come with a knife.   And while we Christians do have a lot of atoning to do, I do believe it is important to acknowledge the too-few Christians who have been friends to Jews even when it cost them greatly  (for instance Corrie ten Boom and her father and sister, or Diet Emon) and who did so with no ulterior motive but only as an act of obedience and love towards G-d.  

 Thank you for listening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dacon9,</p>
<p>I really did not intend to post here again as I don&#8217;t want to intrude here; however, it was nice of you to say what you said and I am honored that you want to hear more from me, so I can&#8217;t ignore that.  </p>
<p> I&#8217;m  bit leery of saying more than I had already said, though.  For one thing, I don&#8217;t want to cause arguments, and I&#8217;m afraid of being misunderstood.  </p>
<p>I would like Christians to leave Jews alone as far as the whole conversion thing  goes.  I think it causes hard feelings, and it is disrespectful for a Christian who doesn&#8217;t even understand Jewish beliefs to come along and tell a Jew that they are wrong.  When you couple that ignorance with a very disgraceful history of Christian persecution of Jews, it&#8217;s no wonder that many Jews are very skeptical of us.   I&#8217;m somewhat amazed that a Jew will even speak to a Christian.</p>
<p>The problem is that Christians don&#8217;t really know much about Judaism except that Jews don&#8217;t accept Jesus as the Messiah.  But other than that, they are pretty much ignorant and would be hard pressed to tell you anything else other than maybe Jews aren&#8217;t supposed to eat pork.  </p>
<p>I would like to see more Christians offer Jews unconditional love and support instead of only being interested in them to convert them.   I also would like to see Christians try to understand Judaism more instead of just thinking that Jews are condemned to hell because they don&#8217;t believe in Jesus. </p>
<p>You asked what my church teaches vs. what I have found to be true.  Well, that&#8217;s a very heavy question and really I would need to write a book to anwer.   But a few things I believe where i part ways with most other Christians is that I do not believe Jews are condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus.  and I do not believe that God is &#8220;done&#8221; with the Jews and that Christians have replaced them as the apple of G-d&#8217;s eye. </p>
<p> I believe that Christians have a duty to G-d to protect and support Jews, that we must pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and that God will bless those who bless his people, the Jews.   </p>
<p>I also believe in Jesus, and you don&#8217;t, and there we will just have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>I believe that the existence of Jews on this earth proves that G-d exists and it proves that God has not abandoned the Jews.  Look at all Jews have gone through in their history:  slavery, wars, diaspora, pogroms, persecution, the Holocaust.  AND YET THEY ARE STILL HERE as a unique people with a unique culture, even though still scattered all over the world.   No other people could go through so much and still retain their identity.  But Jews have done it.  It proves Gd&#8217;s very existence.     </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;ve had bad experiences with Christians and find that their friendship seems to come with a knife.   And while we Christians do have a lot of atoning to do, I do believe it is important to acknowledge the too-few Christians who have been friends to Jews even when it cost them greatly  (for instance Corrie ten Boom and her father and sister, or Diet Emon) and who did so with no ulterior motive but only as an act of obedience and love towards G-d.  </p>
<p> Thank you for listening.</p>
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		<title>By: Mishnah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mishnah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO :TOVIA SINGER AND JEREMY GIMPEL......In Judaism all human beings are believed to have free will and can choose the path in life that they will take. It does not teach that choosing good is impossible – only at times more difficult. There is almost always a “way back” if a person wills it. (Although texts mention certain categories for whom the way back will be exceedingly hard, such as the slanderer, the habitual gossip, and the malicious person)…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO :TOVIA SINGER AND JEREMY GIMPEL&#8230;&#8230;In Judaism all human beings are believed to have free will and can choose the path in life that they will take. It does not teach that choosing good is impossible – only at times more difficult. There is almost always a “way back” if a person wills it. (Although texts mention certain categories for whom the way back will be exceedingly hard, such as the slanderer, the habitual gossip, and the malicious person)…</p>
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		<title>By: Mishnah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mishnah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A RESPONSE TO: ROB-USA. 
I can see by your post and quote.Rob-usa- &quot;How do I know I’m dented if you dont show me the evidence?..end quote...That your not the type of person who would take my advice when I tell you you are living in some kind of fantasy world. A very sad dillusional existence.. so I will keep my business with the next two statements you posted one being, Rob-usa quote:&quot;Or would you rather I run around trying to tell you how wrong you are about redemtion and how you are blind to my man god messiah, LOL..end quote..I would like to thank you for realizing that we are blind to your , &#039;man-god-messiah&#039;.Which; our GD Hashem and, Torah commands us to do...Dacon9 is doing his commanded duty by the Torah and Hashem. AND, all other jews to do so...and to curse all other gods. They are foreign to us..We must be blind , deaf , and, mute to them... SO STOP TRYING TO PROSELATYZE US...Rob-usa sadly what YOU ARE blind to is the thousands of years by &#039;your people&#039;:(the xtians), MURDERING AND KILLING US JEWS, THE TORTURE, THE POGRAMS, BLOOD LIBELS, THE ANTISEMITISM, TRYING TO CRUSH EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE AND REPRESENT..ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC... TO ALL THESE THINGS, AND MANY MORE, YOU ROB-USA AND EVERY SINGLE XTIAN LIKE YOU ARE BLIND TO..........
Your next statement which I left for last due to me not being able to contain myself from laughter from it.. Rob-usa/quote,&quot;..Ironically and thankfully Rabbi Singer does not have your attitude towards sharing the truth with dented persons..end quote.....  I ACTUALLY COULDNT BELIEVE YOU USED TOVIA SINGER AS YOUR &quot;RELIABLE AND TRUSTED SOURCE...LOLHAHAHA...THATS RATHER HYSTERICAL...THEN AGAIN IM DEALING WITH A NO BRAINER NAMED ROB-USA...LOL...TOVIA SINGER IS A PERSON WHO IS WRONG IN MANY SERIOUS THINGS: HIS UNTRUTHFULNESS, HIS LOSHON HARA AND  MOTZI SHEM RA AND ,MOCKERY OF SAGES AND RABBONIM PUBLICLY.,HIS FAILURE TO CONFRONT AND CONTROL HIS YETZER HARA... HIS FAILURE TO CONFRONT AND RESOLVE AN ACCUSATION FROM ANOTHER JEW REGARDING HIS QUESTIONABLE BEHAVIORS WHICH CAN INCUR NEGATIVE EFFECT ON OTHER JEWS.. FAILURE TO SAY AN APPROPRIATE APOLOGY TO SAID DAMAGED JEWS..ETC ETC ETC ETC..EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE LISTED VERY SERIOUS IN NATURE AND WILL BRING CONSEQUENCES TO BE PAID BY TOVIA SINGER.........HASHEM DECIDE UPON                I HAVE A MESSAGE FOR TOVIA SINGER (ROB-USA&#039;S RELIABLE SOURCE:)......In Judaism all human beings are believed to have free will and can choose the path in life that they will take. It does not teach that choosing good is impossible - only at times more difficult. There is almost always a &quot;way back&quot; if a person wills it. (Although texts mention certain categories for whom the way back will be exceedingly hard, such as the slanderer, the habitual gossip, and the malicious person)......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A RESPONSE TO: ROB-USA.<br />
I can see by your post and quote.Rob-usa- &#8220;How do I know I’m dented if you dont show me the evidence?..end quote&#8230;That your not the type of person who would take my advice when I tell you you are living in some kind of fantasy world. A very sad dillusional existence.. so I will keep my business with the next two statements you posted one being, Rob-usa quote:&#8221;Or would you rather I run around trying to tell you how wrong you are about redemtion and how you are blind to my man god messiah, LOL..end quote..I would like to thank you for realizing that we are blind to your , &#8216;man-god-messiah&#8217;.Which; our GD Hashem and, Torah commands us to do&#8230;Dacon9 is doing his commanded duty by the Torah and Hashem. AND, all other jews to do so&#8230;and to curse all other gods. They are foreign to us..We must be blind , deaf , and, mute to them&#8230; SO STOP TRYING TO PROSELATYZE US&#8230;Rob-usa sadly what YOU ARE blind to is the thousands of years by &#8216;your people&#8217;:(the xtians), MURDERING AND KILLING US JEWS, THE TORTURE, THE POGRAMS, BLOOD LIBELS, THE ANTISEMITISM, TRYING TO CRUSH EVERYTHING WE BELIEVE AND REPRESENT..ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC&#8230; TO ALL THESE THINGS, AND MANY MORE, YOU ROB-USA AND EVERY SINGLE XTIAN LIKE YOU ARE BLIND TO&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Your next statement which I left for last due to me not being able to contain myself from laughter from it.. Rob-usa/quote,&#8221;..Ironically and thankfully Rabbi Singer does not have your attitude towards sharing the truth with dented persons..end quote&#8230;..  I ACTUALLY COULDNT BELIEVE YOU USED TOVIA SINGER AS YOUR &#8220;RELIABLE AND TRUSTED SOURCE&#8230;LOLHAHAHA&#8230;THATS RATHER HYSTERICAL&#8230;THEN AGAIN IM DEALING WITH A NO BRAINER NAMED ROB-USA&#8230;LOL&#8230;TOVIA SINGER IS A PERSON WHO IS WRONG IN MANY SERIOUS THINGS: HIS UNTRUTHFULNESS, HIS LOSHON HARA AND  MOTZI SHEM RA AND ,MOCKERY OF SAGES AND RABBONIM PUBLICLY.,HIS FAILURE TO CONFRONT AND CONTROL HIS YETZER HARA&#8230; HIS FAILURE TO CONFRONT AND RESOLVE AN ACCUSATION FROM ANOTHER JEW REGARDING HIS QUESTIONABLE BEHAVIORS WHICH CAN INCUR NEGATIVE EFFECT ON OTHER JEWS.. FAILURE TO SAY AN APPROPRIATE APOLOGY TO SAID DAMAGED JEWS..ETC ETC ETC ETC..EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE LISTED VERY SERIOUS IN NATURE AND WILL BRING CONSEQUENCES TO BE PAID BY TOVIA SINGER&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;HASHEM DECIDE UPON                I HAVE A MESSAGE FOR TOVIA SINGER (ROB-USA&#8217;S RELIABLE SOURCE:)&#8230;&#8230;In Judaism all human beings are believed to have free will and can choose the path in life that they will take. It does not teach that choosing good is impossible &#8211; only at times more difficult. There is almost always a &#8220;way back&#8221; if a person wills it. (Although texts mention certain categories for whom the way back will be exceedingly hard, such as the slanderer, the habitual gossip, and the malicious person)&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pumpkin pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>pumpkin pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dacon9, I really and truly meant to wish you a happy hannukah and didn&#039;t intend to upset you with my Christianness or get into a debate with you.   If Christians aren&#039;t welcomed here, that is okay and I understand and don&#039;t mean to intrude.  I will just post this one time and then wait until maybe I see you on Ynet sometime (I hardly go there anymore, though.)

I will say that I think there is a lot of truth in what you say, and I also think that Christians really miss the mark in their approach to Jews.   Too often, Christians are only interested in Jews if they think they can convert them, and when they realize they can&#039;t, they give up and walk away in frustration.  This is inexcusable.    But not all Christians are like this, just most of them.

Judaism came first, and I think that Christians have much to learn from Jews.  Instead of Christians telling Jews they need to believe in J-sus,  we should instead learn about Jewish beliefs.  Christians are very ignorant about the Torah, etc., and they do not at all understand the Jewishness of J-sus.   In fact, there are Christians who don&#039;t even realize Jesus was a Jew.

I met a woman who said she was going to Israel to try to save Jews.   She may have meant well, but what she said sounded arrogant to me.   I said, &quot;Instead of going there to tell them what you believe, why don&#039;t you ask what they believe instead?&quot;  She kind of gave me a dirty look.

I know that there are things that from a theological viewpoint you and I will disagree on, and I don&#039;t want to try to convince you to think like me.  And you know what?  I think that God admires your steadfast upholding of your beliefs and He sees it as an act of obedience towards him.  I also admire you for it.

And you know what else?  I haven&#039;t burned any pork chops since the last time we talked!  :-)  (Truth be told, I don&#039;t even eat pork.)

So nice to run into you again.  Happy Hannukah.  My warmest and best wishes to you, DACON9

pumpkin pie

(P.S.  Is that really you who posted to me on this site?  Since it&#039;s not all in caps, I&#039;m concerned it might be an imposter  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dacon9, I really and truly meant to wish you a happy hannukah and didn&#8217;t intend to upset you with my Christianness or get into a debate with you.   If Christians aren&#8217;t welcomed here, that is okay and I understand and don&#8217;t mean to intrude.  I will just post this one time and then wait until maybe I see you on Ynet sometime (I hardly go there anymore, though.)</p>
<p>I will say that I think there is a lot of truth in what you say, and I also think that Christians really miss the mark in their approach to Jews.   Too often, Christians are only interested in Jews if they think they can convert them, and when they realize they can&#8217;t, they give up and walk away in frustration.  This is inexcusable.    But not all Christians are like this, just most of them.</p>
<p>Judaism came first, and I think that Christians have much to learn from Jews.  Instead of Christians telling Jews they need to believe in J-sus,  we should instead learn about Jewish beliefs.  Christians are very ignorant about the Torah, etc., and they do not at all understand the Jewishness of J-sus.   In fact, there are Christians who don&#8217;t even realize Jesus was a Jew.</p>
<p>I met a woman who said she was going to Israel to try to save Jews.   She may have meant well, but what she said sounded arrogant to me.   I said, &#8220;Instead of going there to tell them what you believe, why don&#8217;t you ask what they believe instead?&#8221;  She kind of gave me a dirty look.</p>
<p>I know that there are things that from a theological viewpoint you and I will disagree on, and I don&#8217;t want to try to convince you to think like me.  And you know what?  I think that God admires your steadfast upholding of your beliefs and He sees it as an act of obedience towards him.  I also admire you for it.</p>
<p>And you know what else?  I haven&#8217;t burned any pork chops since the last time we talked!  <img src='http://www.jewswithviews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Truth be told, I don&#8217;t even eat pork.)</p>
<p>So nice to run into you again.  Happy Hannukah.  My warmest and best wishes to you, DACON9</p>
<p>pumpkin pie</p>
<p>(P.S.  Is that really you who posted to me on this site?  Since it&#8217;s not all in caps, I&#8217;m concerned it might be an imposter  <img src='http://www.jewswithviews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pumpkin pie</title>
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		<dc:creator>pumpkin pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just saying hello to DACON9.   i can&#039;t believe i stumbled across this site and saw your name.  i hope all is well with you, DACON9.  happy hannukah!  do you still visit ynet?  

pumpkin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just saying hello to DACON9.   i can&#8217;t believe i stumbled across this site and saw your name.  i hope all is well with you, DACON9.  happy hannukah!  do you still visit ynet?  </p>
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