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Kol Nidrei Night With The Brisker Rov & the People of Brisk Wait to Start Kol Nidrei

brisker-rovOne year, after Kol Nidrei, the Brisker Rov, Rav Yitzchok Zev Soloveitchick, whose yahrtzeit is today, took his son-in-law, Rav Yechiel Michel Feinstein, to go for a walk. Perturbed, Rav Yechiel Michel asked the Brisker Rov as delicately as possible if this was the time they should be taking a stroll.( EXTRA READING BEFORE ‘MECHILA. CLICK THIS)
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MECHILA. I ASK MECHILA ,FORGIVENESS

August 28th, 2010 · 20 Comments

I AM HONORED TO HAVE PROFESSORS  SOLOVEITCHIC  ADD THIER IN DEPTH COMMENTARY BELOW  IN ADDITTION TO  RABBI YISROEL HAKOHAINE. YOU CAN ALSO      PARTICIPATE  BY CLICKING  TITLE ‘MECHILA’  or ‘COMMENT’  ON BOTTOM RIGHT

plus a few question from students of  the professors

In June this year, a man advertised for mechila (forgiveness) in many publications. THIS MAN TOLD A YOUNG MAN  USING HIS CELL PHONE IN THE LOBBY OF A SHUL TO GO OUTSIDE if he wants to use the cell phone as  the prayers were not over yet. This was heard by several people, which embarrased this young man on his cell phone.

The elder gentleman that spoke those words realized he may have embarrassed the young  man. He was devasted what he did . He advertised in many Jewish publications asking if anyone who knows the young man to have him contact him. He went so far as to publically list his private telephone number in his need to apologize personally.

Now is our time to apologize to our friends and neighbors but for what? why are we apologizing if we dont know what we did..if we dont know what  we did…..so many of us just go through life without forethought  OR afterthought. How can we apologize  if we dont know our deficiencies our weaknesse, how can we effectively apologize to appease   return whole the well being that person had before we harmed them verbally or spiritually.. to statisfy the person and our accounting in the heavenly courts if we dont internalize what we give out and most of the time we give out arrogance among other painful things, even the raising of our eyebrow at the wrong time can cause pain to the other person.

Your spouse,  your children your parents. Even ‘no’  response can hurt. Did you express compassion  instead of nothing, Did you show any love or warmth or confidence that they can do the project? DID YOU CARE? 

Sure we have to apologize for our arrogance, and sometimes our silence when we should have given rebuke to save someone from sinning. We have to study OURSELFS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ARE AFFECTING OTHERS. WE HAVE TO TAKE AN ACCOUNTING OF OUR OWN MISDEEDS AND DEEDS.

I was given a book called  Cheshbon Ha Nefesh, an accounting of our souls. what is the meaning of this. why was this book given to me at this very time in my life. A time when I felt that I am and I want to go through a transistion to another level a higher level. I was not happy at this position and the wonderful people that is helping me get a jump start from the DIFFICULTY I was in mustve felt this in me..How and why did they know? what signals did I give off..How tuned are my new friends in to  the heavens that they sensed my weakness? and why am I not in that spiritually higher level. The book written approx year 1840 tells me I did not study myself and how I affect people. HOW ABOUT YOU? are you  studying yourself?

Many people are under the misconception that everything said is ”lashon hara’ , evil bad talk. is this true? Where  is the line  that separates rebuke for improvement  to  rebuke to satisfy our own ego…

Are we acting because of wanting to be right and wanting to be a bigshot or are we acting in order to improve ourself and our neighbor…EGO… ego is because of our insecurity….why and what are we insecure about…what did our parents do in raising us  that gave us this weakness in our character, what fear did our friends or siblings or teachers instill in us to act as we do.

Why are we so weak as to be affeced from the outside. lemme tell ya guys… learning TORAH CERTAINLY WOULD PROTECT US FROM THOSE OUTSIDE NEGATIVE INFLUECES. Everything in life is a rerun .. The torah teaches us the arguments the reasons and the solution to every argument known to man. AND YOUR  SLOW  OR REFUSE  TO ACCEPT IT BECAUSE IT CAN SHOW  YOU THAT *YOU WERE WRONG…..GUESS WHO IS OUR TEACHER OF TODAYS ARGUEMENTS?   TAKE A GUESS…..ITS MOSES , MOSHE RABBEINU…

BUT BUT BUT your job is to find a Torah Orthodox Rabbi that will sit with you TO LEARN WITH YOU, DID YOU DO THAT?

 We must now learn about ourselfs, Chesbon Hanefesh, TAKE AN ACCOUNTING OF YOUR OWN SOUL. Separate the bad in us from the good ,,Why are we so weak that we cant even say ”I AM SORRY”and mean it when we say it….and why do we repeat that same arrogance?

But to mean to be sorry ..you must understand what you did,,how it affected the other and make an agreement withyourself to not repeat  it. If we sin we have to regret our sin , then learn the laws of what we sinned about and make an agreement that we will not do that again..

MECHILA…I ASK FORGIVENESS…

BUT I WILL STAND AND BE A WARRIOR FOR TORAH, HASHEM and  OUR NATION , I WILL DEFEND AND FIGHT THE LIES OF  OUR PEOPLE OUR NATION OUR TORAH OUR  ‘ONE GD’  OF ALL THINGS. WE ARE OBLIGATED TO DO SO….

WE JEWS ARE NOT UNDER ROMAN RULE ANYMORE… AND IF WE WERE..GD ALWAYS CAME TO OUR MIRACULOUS RESCUES WHEN WE PRAYED.. ITS TIME TO STUDY YOURSELF. ITS TIME TO STUDY A LITTLE TORAH…ITS TIME TO ASK FORGIVENESS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS AND FROM HASHEM…

THIS HEBREW LESSON IS ESPECIALLY FOR THE GOYIM, NON JEWS. SOON EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING WILL BE JUDGED…ITS FOR YOU GOYEEM TO RETURN THE JEWS TO HIS NATION  WHICH YOU STOLE HIM FROM TO CONVERT HIM. YOU WILL EITHER RETURN HIM OR YOUR SOUL WILL PERISH IN ITS RIGHT TIME WITH NO AFTERLIFE.

 TO P.PIE, I AM NOT INTERESTED IN COMPARISONS. YOU SHOULD NOT BE EITHER. YOU SHOULD REPLACE  YOUR XTIAN  COMPARISON REASONING  WITH FACTUAL ORIGINAL TEACHINGS FROM MT SINAI. 

BLESS ISRAEL AND BE BLESSED
CURSE ISRAEL AND BE CURSED
 
 
 
JEWS ..DO NOT BE AFRAID , DO NOT BE AFRAID…
YOU HAVE HASHEM ON YOUR SIDE IF YOU SERVE ‘HIM’
‘HE’ PROMISED YOU,
 ’HE’ PROVED IT TO YOU
ISRAEL STANDS AS A STATE AND AS A NATION
INSPITE OF THE CHURCH  THAT CURSED US,KILLED US AND SAID JEWS WILL NEVER SURVIVE.
 
 
 
JEWS DO NOT BE AFRAID.
GD IS WITH US.
 
I AM WITH ‘HIM’
I AM NOT PERFECT
GD KNOWS I AM NOT PERFECT
BUT I TRY MY BEST TO LEARN MORE TORAH…
I TAKE AN ACCOOUNTING OF MY DEEDS  FOR THE DAY AS I LIE IN BED
GD KNOWS THAT ALSO
AND ‘HE’ MAY REWARD ME IN THIS LIFE OR THE NEXT  BECAUSE I  TRY’.
GD ONLY ASKS YOU TO SINCERLY TRY….
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THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT
The most frightening day of our lifes
ROSH HASHANAH
MAKE YOUR COMMITMENT TO IMPROVE something…. NOW!
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From Professor Soloveitchik
In response to the Editor of this blog’s paragraph excerpt taken from the above statement.Has propelled me to think about our greatest Teachers.
Why are we so weak as to be affeced from the outside. lemme tell ya guys… learning TORAH CERTAINLY WOULD PROTECT US FROM THOSE OUTSIDE NEGATIVE INFLUECES. Everything in life is a rerun .. The torah teaches us the arguments the reasons and the solution to every argument known to man. AND YOU SLOW TO ACCEPT…GUESS WHO IS OUR TEACHER OF TODAYS ARGUEMENTS? TAKE A GUESS…..ITS MOSES , MOSHE RABBEINU…
What is the difference between the students of Avraham Avinu and, the students of ; Bilam the wicked?
The students of Avraham eat in this world and inherit in the world to come, as it says, “To cause those who love me to inherit everlasting good , and I will fill their storehouses”(Mishlei 8:21.)
Because they follow in the path of Avraham, they are called “Those who love Hashem” as Avraham himself was : “The descendants of Avraham, who loved me. (Yeshayahu 41:8.)
They are called, “Those who love me, who will inherit everlasting good”.
One who has these three traits is among the students of Avraham Avinu , and one who has three other traits is among the students of Bilam the wicked. One with a good eye..is among the students of Avraham Avinu.
“A good eye” means generosity. Avraham Avinu was tremendously generous, as the verse attests; “He took a good and tender calf”, and served it to his aparently unworthy guests(Bereishis 18:7)
A HUMBLE SPIRIT.
As Avraham said, ” I am dust and ashes ( Bereishis 18:27)
He was not only humble before GD , he was even humble in his dealings with other people, as it says,” for this reason you have passed by your servant”
Avraham was addressing three men whom he took to be nomads, and yet he called himself their servant.
A MODEST SOUL.
This refers to one with a pure, clean soul, who has no desire to sin.
This was Avraham: he had no craving at all for worldly control over him, because he had a modest soul. We learn this from the verse, “The matter was very bad in Avraham’s eyes because of his son”(Bereishis 22:18)
When GD instructed him to send Hagar and Yishmael from his home, he was distressed only because his son was leaving, and not because Hagar would also be leaving. Even though she had previously been his concubine, he had no physical desire for her.
An evil eye-
Bilam said ,”even if Balak were to give me a house filled with gold(Bamidbar 22:18)
showing that he desired the possessions of others.
A COVETOUS SOUL
Bilam advised Balak to entice the Jews into immorality. He personally engaged in the sin with which he schemed to entrap them
One with a haughty spirit is among the students of Bilam the wicked.
This wicked man said,” for GD refuses to let me go with you”(Bamidbar 22:13)
He did not want to go with Balak’s emissaries because he did not consider them distinguished enough for his inflated ego.Balak understood the message and “Balak sent more officers, more distinguished than those”.
The students of Bilam the wicked will inherit Gehinom and descend to the pit of destruction.
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From Professor Soloveitchik
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What kind of a student are you?
Ask yourself..
There are four types among students:
One who is quick to learn and quick to forget-
his gain is outweighed by his loss. Slow to learn and slow to forget-his loss is outweighed by his gain.
quick to learn and slow to forget is wise, slow to learn and quick to forget-this is a bad portion.
The student who is quick to learn and quick to forget-his gain is outweighed by his loss:
The loss is of substantial measure, because he forgets what he has learned.What good does it do him that he grasps the material quickly, if he forgets it just as quickly? and yet, he should not stop learning. He will be rewarded for his efforts, because he has spent the day engaged in Gd’s work. This is comparable to a bucket with a hole in the bottom of it.
The student who is slow to learn and slow to forget , his loss is outweighed by his gain-
His reward is great. And he loses nothing by his difficulty in learning and understanding. He works very hard to achieve knowledge and comprehension, but after that, he will never forget what he has learned. In this way, he will acquire a great deal of knowledge.
In both cases, study brings great results. We learn this in Mishnah that one who remembers takes precedence over one who forgets.If they lack the means to support themselves and we can support only one scholar, or if there is some other circumstances that dictates that they cannot both learn, the one who is slow to forget has priority over the one who is quick to learn. In terms of knowledge, the effort of the slow learner is more worthwhile than of the quick learner, and he can go on to teach others.
Quick to learn and slow to forget is wise-
Even this student must review what he has learned many times and not rely on his memory. No one can remember forever without constant review and study. It is human nature to forget, and of what value is the learning once it has been forgotten? it is like planting without reaping.
Slow to learn and quick to forget- This is a bad portion-
Nevertheless, this student should still continue learning.because he will be rewarded for his efforts. Constant learning will also improve him to a greater or a lesser degree. Depending on his nature.
The mishnah does not describe these people as either pious or wicked, because man’s intelligence is not a matter of piety or impiety; it is a gift from Hashem.
As the philosophers say; “Understanding is a gift”.
 
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  • 1 editor,DACON9 // Aug 30, 2010 at 5:47 am

    NO COMMENTS YET
    ARE MY WORDS SO MEANINGFUL THAT NO ONE CAN DISAGREE?

    THEN WE CERTAINLY ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION

    THE COMING WAR WILL THEN BE EASY ON THE JEWS
    BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING IN TO
    *THE RIGHT* DIRECTION.

  • 2 ben // Aug 31, 2010 at 8:53 am

    The light and,Eminence from Cheshbon Ha Nefesh
    who could dispute this Editor?
    Nobody!!
    Wise words from Editor,”But to mean to be sorry ..you must understand what you did,,how it affected the other and make an agreement withyourself to not repeat it. If we sin we have to regret our sin , then learn the laws of what we sinned about and make an agreement that we will not do that again..

    MECHILA…I ASK FORGIVENESS…
    If I didn’t learn anything today in my classes, Mr. Editor??I learned a lesson from Jews with Views, from the computer in the library!.lol
    Dacon keep up the lessons, .
    Soloveitchik is issuing out extra cred. for those who can intergrade this lesson with proper halacha and the differences in statute in relation to this lesson.

  • 3 ben // Aug 31, 2010 at 8:56 am

    I came on here in search of the goy with the large marge of a mouth..
    What did I find??
    Diamonds on the road to the battlefront.lol
    I am not sorry nor do I seek forgiveness.
    Tomorrow may be a diff story..

  • 4 ben // Aug 31, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Dacon.
    I find Chesh’bon Ha-Nefesh to be appealing and modern in its psychological outlook, even while staying true to traditional Torah values. It is easy to read and easy to understand. I wish the book were more widely known. I am so enthusiastic about it .
    Dacon can we discuss one of its character traits each week in a chatback forum???
    That woul;d be the best!!

  • 5 p. pie // Aug 31, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Dacon,

    I needed to look up the meaning of “mechila” as it is a foreign word to me.

    I have thought about this post a lot. I am very impressed with this focus on asking for forgiveness. (In my faith tradition, it seems that more importance is put on forgiving others than on asking for forgiveness.)

    I’m impressed with this focus on asking for forgiveness because the very act of asking is humbling, a reminder of our own foibles and failures and how our actions ripple out to affect others; whereas forgiving, while very important, means being focused on what the other person has done wrong rather than our own wrongs.

    Thank you for the thoughtful post.

    Best wishes,
    P.P.

  • 6 Mordechai // Sep 1, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Bennnnnnnn? bennnnny? where are you??
    It’s dark and I hear people singing. Where am I?.
    I think I stumbled into one of Mr. Paisley’s fundamentals for dummies!.lol
    Thanks to the radiance , and a few AA batteries for our flashlights this blog provided I would be lost for good!.
    Dacon..the Cheshbon NaFesh !! good deal! thanks for the lesson, i see you taught it to Ben as well, Ben is in special Ed. and it’s hard to catch his attention for more than 3 mins..lol
    Brilliancy I tell you!

  • 7 BLINDMAG // Sep 1, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Blind MAG: i saw ur blog i like the cover article that is on there now. what an extrodinary study and direction you can get from; Cheshbon HaNefesh . its a life altering experience to follow full direction and understanding of the lessons

  • 8 DACON9 // Sep 1, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    P.PIE
    YOU SAID
    (In my faith tradition, it seems that more importance is put on forgiving others than on asking for forgiveness.)

    YO GIRL: if you need an update on your religion
    go to spiderman comics.
    jesesus doing miracles is as honest as a man spinning a web swinging from buildings.
    if paull was alive today he would be writing the newest installment of batman.
    paul….how rediculous he was… on the way to damascus… while he was riding on a donkey alone with his sack of tehini and humus and schwarma in his hand paully claimed that GD spoke to him…pauly ole boy…. there were still many mountains left other then MT SINAI…if GD wanted the world to hear that message that pauly claimed …then GD wouldve chosen a mountain to tell the world, the same way that GD told the world that MOSES IS HIS PROPHET AND TO LISTEN TO MOSES..GD TOLD US..NOT JONN PAUL GEORGE OR RINGO
    soooo, P.PIE ,patty cake patty cake bakes a pie ..how does that nursery rhyme go again….
    Patty cake patty cake baker’s man
    Patty cake patty cake baker’s man
    Bake me a cake as fast as you can
    Bake me a cake as fast as you can
    ohh these nursery rhymes and xtian insanity and just think that children are raised on these xtian myths, even though Jews,yeah the RABBIS KICKED THAT BUM OUTTA BETHLEHEM… AND that lying tax collector paul..see pauly didnt understand his rabbis because he was mentally defiecient.FACT..NOT SARCASM..and so xtians follow a wacko…..I mean, you can see how they tortured people through out history…it takes a crazy cult to kill the way xtians did. and still do…ok ok so today the xtians dont kill us with spears a swords..but if they could, they would, so today they try to convert us…and who do they pick on? like pauly and luke da duke and matt the bat, they pick on stupid uneducated people and the sick or drugged or dying in hospitals..then the xtians actually go to jewish graves and convert them when their dead…
    THEY USE MADONAS HOLY WATER I THINK, AT $30 BUCKS A 16 OZ

  • 9 Bezalel S // Sep 1, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Reply |Bezalel S

    CAN YOU IDENTIFY?

    Can you identify your own strengths and weaknesses? “Weaknesses” might mean that you feel you’ve got too much of a trait, like anger for example, or it could be too little, like calmness. Too little anger (expressed as passion and vitality) is also a possibility. Any quality that could benefit from some measure of change belongs on your list. And if you already feel that you are adequately generous, for example, you’ve identified one trait you don’t need on your list. Some traits will leap onto your list because they are all too well known to you, while others will need to be discovered.
    Besides putting together this list, you have one more preparation to make. You have to provide yourself with a simple phrase that captures the ideal of each of the listed qualities. Look in a dictionary, in the Torah, or any other wisdom source, or just compose something yourself, so long as what you end up with accurately captures the essence of that particular quality. Here are some of the phrases in Cheshbon ha-Nefesh:
    Doing an “accounting of the Neshama” is actually very simple. As a first step, you compose a list of thirteen qualities that you undertake to observe in yourself. The traits that belong on your list are those aspects of your inner life that tend to trip you up, in one way or another. Maybe you’re already aware that you aren’t too accurate in your speech, (which is something I’ve had trouble with in the past). Or maybe it’s greed that sends you off in ways that don’t yield up anything except a bad taste in your mouth. Is it arrogance that has you puffing up your ego like a peacock, or do you have the opposite tendency, allowing yourself too readily to be walked all over?
    For equanimity he writes: “Rise above events that are inconsequential – both bad and good – for they are not worth disturbing my peace of mind.”
    About decisiveness he says: “All of your acts should be preceded by deliberation; when you have reached a decision, act without delay.”
    And for righteousness he goes to the Talmud for “What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor.”
    With your list of 13 qualities and a phrase to describe each one, now you’re ready to begin the practice. You focus on one quality from your list for a full week, and really there are just two things you need to do
    Every morning, soon after you have awakened, read over to yourself the reminder statement for the trait of that week. It might be helpful to set up your cards right beside your bed, or at another place where you are sure to see them and be reminded. I do yoga stretches and meditation every morning so I have my cards set up on the little table in my quiet room. The one for that week is at the front of the pile.
    Read over the phrase of the week slowly and with full concentration. Read it aloud. Read it several times. Chant it. Go over this reminder in what ever way causes it to be so clearly illuminated in your mind that it seems to have been written in neon. Once you’ve really heard the phrase in so penetrating a way, go on with your day.
    Of course, during the day you try to live up to the ideal stated on your reminder card, but not with strain or by repressing tendencies. Just do your best.
    Then at bedtime, you’ll do the second part of the practice. Keep a small notebook beside your bed, along with a pen, and just before you go to bed, reflect back over your day to see what you can identify that in any way reveals the presence of the single quality you are working on that week. Record all thoughts and experiences that relate to that particular quality.
    Your notes should be brief, just an outline of the facts that reveal something of your characteristics. Focus especially on the role you played in events. Don’t worry if what you write wouldn’t pass as literature. No one but you ever need see this notebook. More important than the amount you write or the floweriness of the prose is the honesty you bring to your introspection. Shine a bright light on your day, and see what there is to see about that quality that is your focus for that week, and write down just what you need to record to clarify the facts of your motives, actions and reactions.
    A quality may leap right out at you – you lost your temper with someone, or you got coerced into saying yes to something that you know you shouldn’t have taken on. Or you may have to think and probe a bit to uncover the imprint of your soul as it shaped your day. But if you were alive, it has to be there.
    It is crucially important that you not beat up on yourself for your slip-ups, nor to heap praises on yourself for your victories. What you’re after is just a factual and accurate picture of the play of your inner life as it shapes your thoughts, words and deeds in action. The details contain the underlying patterns that recur in your life, and by examining them, you get nothing less than a read-out on the contents of your unconscious, as these express themselves in the particulars of your life.
    Say that the first quality on your list is “equanimity,” On the day that you begin the practice plus for the next six days, every morning when you arise you recite to yourself the phrase for equanimity: “Rise above events that are inconsequential – both bad and good – for they are not worth disturbing my peace of mind.” Go over it several times or in different ways, until its message is really imprinted on your mind. You want to absorb the message in a deep and acute way.
    Then, every evening that same week, record in your diary at bedtime those things that happened to you that day that reveal something about the presence or absence of equanimity in your experience. It may be big – “I got really upset when…” – or small – “I can recall the tiny twinge of disturbance that came up at…” Whatever it is, down it goes in writing.
    Once you have completed seven days focused just on equanimity, now you leave equanimity behind and check your list to see what the next quality is. You put the reminder card for that quality at the front of the pile, ready to recite every morning of that week, while in the evenings you’ll record only those matters related to that next quality on your list.
    So it goes, through the thirteen weeks, at which point you will return right back to the first of the qualities on your list, back to “equanimity.”
    In the course of a year, you will go through that full set of thirteen qualities exactly four times, since four times thirteen equals fifty-two, the number of weeks in ayear. You will have spent a total of four weeks in the year reflecting on and learning about how each of your thirteen selected qualities plays its role in shaping your life.
    Cheshbon ha-Nefesh
    done like this is simple but amazingly effective.
    “The central point [of cheshbon ha-nefesh] is really to reveal to consciousness the contents of the unconscious mind. These are, by definition, hidden from us, and so no matter how hard we peer directly into our inner selves, we won’t uncover anything of what lurks below the surface. But because the contents of our unconscious are perfectly reflected in the patterns of our deeds, certain images return night after night, and the patterns become unmistakable. We need this truth about ourselves to guide our steps on the path to deep, lasting, fulfilling transformation. And, in fact, as soon as we have brought to light those soul traits that might otherwise have continued to live in darkness, we have already begun to change.”
    THANKS DACON EDITOR OF THIS BLOG FOR THE DIRECTION AND PROPER PATHS.
    B’H

    Bezalel S.

  • 10 Professor Soloveitchik // Sep 2, 2010 at 9:30 am

    What kind of a student are you?
    Ask yourself..
    There are four types among students:
    One who is quick to learn and quick to forget-
    his gain is outweighed by his loss. Slow to learn and slow to forget-his loss is outweighed by his gain.
    quick to learn and slow to forget is wise, slow to learn and quick to forget-this is a bad portion.
    The student who is quick to learn and quick to forget-his gain is outweighed by his loss:
    The loss is of substantial measure, because he forgets what he has learned.What good does it do him that he grasps the material quickly, if he forgets it just as quickly? and yet, he should not stop learning. He will be rewarded for his efforts, because he has spent the day engaged in Gd’s work. This is comparable to a bucket with a hole in the bottom of it.
    The student who is slow to learn and slow to forget , his loss is outweighed by his gain-
    His reward is great. And he loses nothing by his difficulty in learning and understanding. He works very hard to achieve knowledge and comprehension, but after that, he will never forget what he has learned. In this way, he will acquire a great deal of knowledge.
    In both cases, study brings great results. We learn this in Mishnah that one who remembers takes precedence over one who forgets.If they lack the means to support themselves and we can support only one scholar, or if there is some other circumstances that dictates that they cannot both learn, the one who is slow to forget has priority over the one who is quick to learn. In terms of knowledge, the effort of the slow learner is more worthwhile than of the quick learner, and he can go on to teach others.
    Quick to learn and slow to forget is wise-
    Even this student must review what he has learned many times and not rely on his memory. No one can remember forever without constant review and study. It is human nature to forget, and of what value is the learning once it has been forgotten? it is like planting without reaping.
    Slow to learn and quick to forget- This is a bad portion-
    Nevertheless, this student should still continue learning.because he will be rewarded for his efforts. Constant learning will also improve him to a greater or a lesser degree. Depending on his nature.
    The mishnah does not describe these people as either pious or wicked, because man’s intelligence is not a matter of piety or impiety; it is a gift from Hashem.
    As the philosophers say; “Understanding is a gift”.

  • 11 Professor Soloveitchik // Sep 2, 2010 at 10:20 am

    In response to the Editor of this blog’s paragraph excerpt taken from the above statement.Has propelled me to think about our greatest Teachers.
    Why are we so weak as to be affeced from the outside. lemme tell ya guys… learning TORAH CERTAINLY WOULD PROTECT US FROM THOSE OUTSIDE NEGATIVE INFLUECES. Everything in life is a rerun .. The torah teaches us the arguments the reasons and the solution to every argument known to man. AND YOU SLOW TO ACCEPT…GUESS WHO IS OUR TEACHER OF TODAYS ARGUEMENTS? TAKE A GUESS…..ITS MOSES , MOSHE RABBEINU…
    What is the difference between the students of Avraham Avinu and, the students of ; Bilam the wicked?
    The students of Avraham eat in this world and inherit in the world to come, as it says, “To cause those who love me to inherit everlasting good , and I will fill their storehouses”(Mishlei 8:21.)
    Because they follow in the path of Avraham, they are called “Those who love Hashem” as Avraham himself was : “The descendants of Avraham, who loved me. (Yeshayahu 41:8.)
    They are called, “Those who love me, who will inherit everlasting good”.
    One who has these three traits is among the students of Avraham Avinu , and one who has three other traits is among the students of Bilam the wicked. One with a good eye..is among the students of Avraham Avinu.
    “A good eye” means generosity. Avraham Avinu was tremendously generous, as the verse attests; “He took a good and tender calf”, and served it to his aparently unworthy guests(Bereishis 18:7)
    A HUMBLE SPIRIT.
    As Avraham said, ” I am dust and ashes ( Bereishis 18:27)
    He was not only humble before GD , he was even humble in his dealings with other people, as it says,” for this reason you have passed by your servant”
    Avraham was addressing three men whom he took to be nomads, and yet he called himself their servant.
    A MODEST SOUL.
    This refers to one with a pure, clean soul, who has no desire to sin.
    This was Avraham: he had no craving at all for worldly control over him, because he had a modest soul. We learn this from the verse, “The matter was very bad in Avraham’s eyes because of his son”(Bereishis 22:18)
    When GD instructed him to send Hagar and Yishmael from his home, he was distressed only because his son was leaving, and not because Hagar would also be leaving. Even though she had previously been his concubine, he had no physical desire for her.
    An evil eye-
    Bilam said ,”even if Balak were to give me a house filled with gold(Bamidbar 22:18)
    showing that he desired the possessions of others.
    A COVETOUS SOUL
    Bilam advised Balak to entice the Jews into immorality. He personally engaged in the sin with which he schemed to entrap them
    One with a haughty spirit is among the students of Bilam the wicked.
    This wicked man said,” for GD refuses to let me go with you”(Bamidbar 22:13)
    He did not want to go with Balak’s emissaries because he did not consider them distinguished enough for his inflated ego.Balak understood the message and “Balak sent more officers, more distinguished than those”.
    The students of Bilam the wicked will inherit Gehinom and descend to the pit of destruction.

  • 12 DACON9 // Sep 5, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    FROM: Rachel Mehani to me

    Dear Dacon & Jews with Views.
    I was touched by your personal account in the article; Mechila’.
    The entire paragraph below( this one gave me the feeling that I was reading someones personal writings not generally privied to anyone,It is excruciatingly honest)

    I was given a book called Cheshbon Ha Nefesh, an accounting of our souls. what is the meaning of this. why was this book given to me at this very time in my life. A time when I felt that I am and I want to go through a transition to another level a higher level. I was not happy at this position and the wonderful people that is helping me get a jump start from the DIFFICULTY I was in must felt this in me..How and why did they know? what signals did I give off..How tuned are my new friends in to the heavens that they sensed my weakness? and why am I not in that spiritually higher level. The book written approx year 1840 tells me I did not study myself and how I affect people. HOW ABOUT YOU? are you studying yourself?

    We all have to remember that, there are always reasons for the ever changing events which happen in all of our lives, There is a reason for everything. Hashem sees us through All.
    As in there was a reason Dacon received the book.
    And, what will come of that will depend on Dacon, and his perceptions and willingness to notice in ones own self; Humility, Diligence, Patience, decisiveness, and an ability to properly recognize the Truth. Among several other orders.
    Anyone ever stop and realize that we do have duties of the mind and duties of the heart?
    And, what it takes to accomplish these feats as a person? It’s not easy.
    It is the most rewarding thing we can do for ourselves, a truly worthy and important gift.
    Dacon, Thank you for sharing this personal story for us, I truly appreciate it. I appreciate the Honesty you set forth, for others to benefit from. I would like to get that book for myself and will order one, its a fascinating adjustment we all can make in each of our own lives, that spreads and benefits all who are around us as in our families and friends as well.
    Thank you
    Rachel.
    Thank you Professor Soloveitchik also for the explanations.

  • 13 DACON9 // Sep 5, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    FROM: RageOver_A_LostPenny

    Dacon I just read your blog and caught the commentaries from Prof.X.
    Can you post a question for me to him?
    you can paste it from this pm.
    Professor Soloveitchik can you give me a brief background about the most important things about Cheshbon Hanefesh?

    What is an important issue we should keep in mind most during the counting and the process of Cheshbon Hanefesh?

  • 14 DACON9 // Sep 6, 2010 at 5:16 am

    FROM: AVRAHAM KOHEN
    Shalom Dacon
    Can I propose a question to you or professor Soloveitchik about the main feed on your blog called Mechila?
    Is there a , Midrash in correlation with Cheshbon Hanefesh and dialog between Adam and GD,( after Adam was banished from Gan eden?)?
    A good Rosh Hashanah to everyone.

    Avraham

  • 15 Motti // Sep 7, 2010 at 8:19 am

    L’shanah tovah tikatev v’taihatem to everyone at Jews with views, it’s readers , Dacon and Professor Soloveitchik .

  • 16 p. pie // Sep 8, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Dacon9,

    To you and everyone who posted here, thank you very much. Though I do not understand it all, there is a lot of thoughtful discussion and teaching to be pondered.

  • 17 DACON9 // Sep 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    ATT P. PIE:
    THERE IS NOTHING TO DISCUSS REALLY.
    gregg IS A FILTHY XTIAN TYPICAL XTIAN DECEIVER AND PROPAGANDIST MISSIONARY .TYPICAL TACTICS OF XTIANNITY. Anything else you cant comprehend because you are a xtian.Its a fact not an insult. Your administering angel answered to the ONE GD OF ISRAEL THEY DONT WANT THE TORAH BECAUSE TORAH SAYS NOT TO COMMMIT MURDER.
    And so…. all you need to learn are the UNIVERSAL 7 Noahide Laws for all mankind,its part of the 613 TORAH LAWS FOR ISRAEL.
    Even your intellectual xtian scholars do not understand TORAH AND NEVER WILL.LOOK AT GREG AS AN EXAMPLE. he cant understand anything.he still thinks mickey mouse is his friend and greg still doesnt tell me if HE cleans the statue of jesees crotch in church… MY ARROGANCE ? NO JUST ANOTHER FACT.
    Remember this ……your god is dead, his diciples left him when the romans came for him. NOT TO IMPRESSIVE OF A god or of diciples(really they were tax collectors)
    PIE…Buy a book called ‘path of the righteous gentile” and ”7 colors of the rainbow” to learn the duties of a gentile HOW TO SERVE THE ONE GD OF EVERYTHING.
    GREGGY BABEEE:::
    when I was in Israel i went to 4 location where supposedly jesses was buried… and the 4 paths he SUPPOSEDLY walked with the cross on his back,,then I sprinkled VIAGRA on each path and each grave….he still didnt rise….WHY NOT?

  • 18 Greg // Sep 13, 2010 at 1:40 am

    Are you 1000% sure of this, or will you be deleting it as with the other?

    When the mixed multitude came out of Egypt with Israel, why didn’t God say to them to keep the 7 laws you say pertain to the Gentiles? Or is this another ‘fact’ you can’t verify?

  • 19 DACON9 // Sep 15, 2010 at 5:18 am

    COMMENTS FROM gregg WILL BE CLOSED OFF.
    HE IS EITHER A LIAR OR SICK OR a missionary or AN AVID JEW HATER.
    IN ANY CASE HE IS NOT BRINGING ANYTHING MEANINGFUL TO THE TABLE.
    THE GAME IS OVER.
    even his entertainment value is overplayed.
    ADIOS SENOR LOCO IN LA CABESA

    ALL OTHER COMMENTS WILL CONTINUE .
    THANK YOU

  • 20 p. pie // Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    To Dacon9
    I did not see your latest postings until just now.

    I agree with you that it is best to close Greg off. It would be different if he actually wanted to engage in a legitimate conversation; but instead he seems like a programmed person and, as Yisroel Hakohane said, he uses “circular logic.”

    But Dacon, you said something that I found very jarring, that my G-d is “dead.” HE IS NOT DEAD. MY G-D Is THE G-D OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB. I have no other God’s before him. HE IS MY G-D. HE IS G-D.

    As for the books you have recommended, please tell me which one is recommended above the other (as I cannot get them both. )
    (signed) pp

    DACON9 REPLIES:
    PIE, YOU HAVE SAID YOU ARE A XTIAN.Being a xtian means you have accepted intermediaries sons of gods holy ghosts trinities and assorted dribble forbiden in JUDAISM. you praise other gods forbidden even though they are false made of wood or stone or gold and jewels. You line your pathways to your churchs with statues, adorn your walls with pictures and crosses of jesess, wear idols around your neck and call yourself christians. what does and where does that name come from??? why jesesuses of course.You celebrate xmas and what is xmas but a mass of or for chrsit..get it? xmas? Your dead mangod said you cant pray directly to GD, you have to go through him first. and you buy all you xtian lies created one thousand five hundred years after the revelation to the world at MT SINAI. what revelations did jeueses ever do in front of the world ? NOT ONE THING. JEUSES BROUGHT PEACE? OUR HOLY TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED after your jueses came to save the world.. Please dont let me go through the list over and over again. Maybe its time you stop the crap with yourself. Stop trying to support what you know is false. Or continue the crap and stop reading about the original and only religion of the world witnessed by the world needing no proof of anything because you all saw it and know it.

    GD OF ISRAEL IS THE ONLY ONE GD.
    JEWS URINATE ON JESES AND NEVER ACCEPTED him except NOW for the few heretics..so what …they also will perish along with the children of esauv if they dont repent. LOOK AT YOUR XTIAN HOSPITALS WITH ALL YOUR STATUES AND CROSSES..FILLED WITH ILL XTIANS WHO ACCEPTED AND BELIEVE IN JESESAS.What happend to the ”believe in jueses and be saved brother”?……
    As I said many times…Go to TOYS R US and purchase a spiderman doll and pray to that,its not different….your dead mangod juses and all his idols of john mathew paul george and ringo you created cant eat drink or answer your prayers.BUT YOU XTIANS BELIEVE AND KILL IN his name. Today you lie deceive Jews to convert them, another form of murder to Judaism…..YOUR idols and saints carved of wood molded of clay adorned with jewels and blood of Jews…and what do the xtians do? they kill and destroy. They make bombs to kill, they support terror and blame the Jews that we JEWS DONT ACCEPT YOUR mangod and thats why there is war in the world.ITS MORE THAT XTIANS MADE IDOLS AGAISNT GD IS THE REASON THERE ARE WARS.

    IN reference to my reading suggestions: Read anybook you want but frankly…I am tired of your xtian merrygo round logic. You cant help yourself. YOU are indoctrinated to accept with out question and without proof of a dead man,even if you go against your church and question, you question with the eyes and mind of a xtian, you dont understand this, you think you do, but you’re far from understanding what the ”mind of a xtian’ is..
    and you kill if one doesnt accept him.

    KILL THOSE JEWS! DO YOU ACCEPT JEUSES? NO..THEN DIE..
    LUKE REPORTS THAT JEUSES TOLD him,luke, to bring his enemies before him,jueses and kill him before me, jueses, so he,jueses can see him die.. jUESES A SON OF GD? HIS DISCIPLES LEFT HIM AT THE CROSS BECAUSE THEY WERE MORE AFRAID OF THE ROMANS THEN SURE OF JUESES ””SAVING HIMSELF AND THEM,NEVER HESITATING ONCE THINKING THAT THEIR son of GD WILL SAVE THEM LIKE A GD SHOULD, YOUR CULTURE IS BASED ON DEATH.
    you are no different then greg..same just a different wrapping. Same blindness..I dont expect you to change after 2000 years of ignorance and deception by your lying poop in rome.

    Let this be the last between us. UNtil you find a true orthodox Torah rabbi to learn noahide laws. YOU asked me to pray for you 2 times, You said my prayers worked and you still go to church to bow and cross your heart. I am tired of you xtians.

    if you was truly ”jarred you would have stopped long ago being ”jarred” by reading my postings my proofs and my answers to the paltalk xtian missionaries such as ‘seeker akbar’ and ‘fyrefly’ who blantantly lied 3 weeks ago…then telling a chat room i speak like this because I dont like xtians, WELL I DONT LIKE XTIANS BECAUSE XTIANS LIE AS THEY DO ABOUT JUDAISM… I SIMPLY DONT LIKE LIARS..WHY DOESNT XTIANS UNDERSTAND…YOU ARE LIARS AND JEWS REJECT YOUR LIE…JUESES WAS A HERETIC A LOWLIFE SCUM…..CLEAR ENOUGH?

    The more i read about the early xtians the more i find it crazy that anyone can accept it as a religion.
    I urinate on every statue of jeuses and mary and the whole family including that lamb sitting with them on many lawns…i go up with my dog write poops name on the forehead of that rediculous baby pishy yishy then urinate all over the scene….talking about cruelty..how do you let a family and a mother who just gave birth to your god sit in the cold snow..OH SO SORRY THEY ARE MERELY gods made or wood and stone who dont eat or answer prayers…and when you pass that manger scene you bow down and cross your heart….. what rediculous customs….I’d rather wllk through a tulip garden with ‘tiny tim’ or the b’hai crackpots or the hairy harihs in robes in the airports…

    REMINDER: JEWS DO NOT AND ARE NOT PERMITTED TO PROSELYTIZE. I AM NOT AND NEVER WAS ASKING YOU OR ANY XTIAN TO CONVERT TO JUDAISM BUT SIMPLY TO LEAVE IDOLS AND gods AND THINGS ALONE TO LEARN THE LAWS THAT ‘THE ONE GD OF EVERYTHING DEMANDS FROM ALL PEOPLE. those laws are called the basic 7 universal laws of morality BETTER KNOWN AS the NOAHIDE LAWS .

    PIE, THIS IS THE END… THE END MY FRIEND. YOURE ON YOUR OWN.

  • note: pie and this editor have remained in constant contact  and remain as virtual friends. 

  • Now I have to study my own words posted here a while back to study if  I myself have changed my viewsand improved since then

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