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January 21st, 2010 · 3 Comments

Christian Motivation for Fiscal Support of Israel

BY: JEWISH DEFENSE LEAGUE  (PalTalk)

Who is Jewish Defense League ( JDL ) from Paltalk  chat rooms?

  JDL is uniquely qualified to speak upon Christian matters due to his background. He was an Ordained Minister for two Christian Organizations and having obtained an Honorary Doctorate of Divinity and having served the Christian Community for nearly 25 year’s in this function. He also was involved in the Messianic Christian movement for 4 years and also was the founder and developer of the Living Torah Bible College based in Kansas and was 4 weeks away from opening the doors. Professors were lined up and classes were lined up with required course work and textbooks.  Jewish Defense League from Paltalk has over 30 years of Christian experience in varied leadership roles one of which was Jewish evangelism.

LOOK FOR HIS REGULAR ARTICLES AND ‘HEADS UP’ AWARENESS WARNINGS TO ALL JEWS .   See the left side of screen  to read his other  sometimes hard to swallow writings. JDL welcomes your questions and comments by clicking comments on  the bottom or Email to: jewswithviews@gmail.com.

Christian Motivation for Fiscal Support of Israel

    Closed doors meetings taking place to manage funds from Christian Organizations to send to Israel.  The question is why do the these groups have a compulsion to send fiscal support to Israel?  My  verbal communications from both sides of the issue there is an underlying current of motivation that is not so readily apparent to the Jewish groups and individuals from their Christian cohorts ( Group Association Studies).  The Christians use the fiscal support of the Jewish people as a scalpel or a sledge hammer (dependent on how openly Evangelical the group) to force the Jewish people to obey the will of the donor(Christians). 

 This goes back to the belief that Christians have some sort of historical connection to the Jewish people in regards to their Messiah. This is not about Fiscal support but a tool to force the Jewish people to listen to the Christian gospel and convert or risk losing that fiscal support of Christians and their businesses and government aid.

  Instead of holding a weapon to the head of the Jewish Nation they are using the dollar as a weapon of mass destruction to the very heart and soul of the Jewish people. Israel dependency on American aid in the budget of Israel forces Israel to bend to the will of the American Christians whom wish to see ALL Jews to convert to Christianity.

 Israel must become realize in order to survive as a Jewish Nation. They must reject all donations and support from Christian resources and the American Government.  The Israelis must understand that they are at war not in the sense of military direct action but for the very heart of Judaism.  The very dependence on Christian fiscal support is an open door for Christian Evangelism to take place in the very heart of Jewish communities in Israel and other Nations. I have heard directly from Christians that the Jewish people should be grateful and listen to Christians due to their fiscal support or Israel will cease to exist as a nation.

  I find this interesting that these Christians whom claim they love their Messiah( who is alleged to be a direct representative of heaven) would place money above their gospel as the weapon of choice to motivate Jews into conversion into their way of life. The Jewish people are at times slow to learn but once learned the lesson is not forgotten and is passed on to each generation. The question is when will the Jewish people learn this lesson. The Christian is not to be trusted and should be treated in that manner as the Torah states. The Jewish People MUST separate themselves from the bonds of slavery of the Christian noose of fiscal support or lose Judaism piece by piece.

 Jewish Defense League (Pal talk)

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1) DEBORAH RESPONSE:

Jewish Defense league(JDL).
My peeve is xtians and how they believe they can interpret our Torah or have a better understanding than Jews. I wish to address the word “interpret” and why I believe so many of the xtians have answered and debated in a way that appears to show to me they have no true understanding or why their sense of entitlement to REDEFINE and change the meanings of the Torah, have been ineffective to actually accomplish that goal, and shall forever remain ineffective.
The New Testament excrement, is a replacement theology created by Hellenized and apostate Jews and Roman citizens , romanized converts etc, in order to do away with the Jewish religion………………..TO READ DEBORAH  RESPONSE IN FULL SEE ‘DEBORAH  PAGE ON LEFT OR CLICK THIS

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2) JDL ANSWERS:
There is a far more deeper and sinster motivation or desire within each Christian that compells them to belive or understand that THEY have the inside track or understanding beyond the words on the paper and the learned wisdom and knowledge of the Sages of the Jewish people. There is the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit with the Christian religion that alledges that each Christian gets direct instructions from the Creator and therefore any words or understanding of the written words of the Torah are meaningless to that Christian since they belive they have the Divine connection to the understanding and interptation of the Tanach/Torah. This is a very dangerous mindset due to the fact that there are no controls or gates to keep each Christian to interput as she or he sees fit and then says it is a direct communication from the Creator.

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A LITTLE MORE APPRECIATION……?

ADDITTIONAL NOTES BY JDL: Here is a perfect example of Christian love for the Jewish people. Watch out for the JEWS they are there to hurt you and make money off of you despite the fact the Jewish People have the best equipment and trained personel to save lifes. TYPICAL and I am horrified and saddened by this story.

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  • 1 JewishDefenseLeague(PALTALK) // Jan 22, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Here is a perfect example of Christian love for the Jewish people. Watch out for the JEWS they are there to hurt you and make money off of you despite the fact the Jewish People have the best equipment and trained personel to save lifes. TYPICAL and I am horrified and saddened by this story.

  • 2 DEBORAH // Jan 30, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Jewish Defense league(JDL).
    My peeve is xtians and how they believe they can interpret our Torah or have a better understanding than Jews. I wish to address the word “interpret” and why I believe so many of the xtians have answered and debated in a way that appears to show to me they have no true understanding or why their sense of entitlement to REDEFINE and change the meanings of the Torah, have been ineffective to actually accomplish that goal, and shall forever remain ineffective.
    The New Testament excrement, is a replacement theology created by Hellenized and apostate Jews and Roman citizens , romanized converts etc, in order to do away with the Jewish religion and separate identity of the covenant nation people, Israel. History shows this quite clearly if you study both secular history and learn of the beginnings and spread of xtianity through the writings of the early church leaders themselves. Tertullian had the Tanakh rearranged and changed into their “Old Testament the excrement”, that he named as such specifically to show that it had been superceded by their “New” testi- The beginnings of xtianity were also violent internally..as there was no separation of politics from religion for the peoples of the Levant. Polytheist conquering peoples often obliterated the cultures of the conquered by imposing their own deities into the roles and names of the former..this was the attempt to do away with Judaism by attempt to redefine every aspect of Jewish belief.

    The original Septuagint that was written by Jewish scribes was only the Torah , and over the course of the next 300 years, there were many unknown individual translators of the Prophets and Writings that were created and disseminated…some of them contain overt attempts to impose Hellenist philosophy and idolatrous elements. The Hebrew Scriptures that Jews use today are the same as the oldest known scriptures of the Tanakh ever discovered and for the Jewish people, learning Hebrew..or at least learning how to translate it directly from the Hebrew with a lexicon ( for Jews who have always had difficulty with Hebrew) means that we’re not dependent on anyone else to tell us what it means. there is also,line by line Hebrew translations for those, NOT fluent in Hebrew, however millions of Jews ARE and don’t require translation or “interpretation”.

    The New Testi- gives “interpretations” of so many portions of the Torah, that are completely and entirely topsy turvy to the contextual reading of the ..most often found in the portions of the Prophets and Writings..that they derive from Hellenized Greek translations rather than from the Hebrew itself.

    For example..stories that are utterly clear in their condemnation of the very notion that humans could become a deity in the Tanakh, are given an entirely new spin that hides the clear contextual meaning and impose idolatrous belief forbidden by the Torah into them.

    Isaiah’s condemnation of Nebuchadnezzar for styling himself a god/man and Ezekiel’s condemnation of the King of Tyre for the same egregious sin…don’t even warrant a mention of the purpose of those narratives in xtian doctrine..( of course, since Jez** is depicted as deity in xtian belief!) But both of those narratives are cherry picked entirely out of context to impose a belief in a “fallen angel” and demon deity of the underworld that is no where IN the Tanakh. No Devil is mentioned in either passage, no underworld hell, but they had to find some way to justify imposing the beliefs of the Greeks and Romans ( see Plato’s Myth of Er for ancient reference to this belief)

    It is the New Testi’s changing of every aspect of contextual meaning of the eternal covenant of Israel that is at the heart of the irreconcilable incompatibility between the two religions.

    the xtian bible contains a majority of it’s text as an adaptation of the Hebrew orig., but because they are taught to INTERPRET those texts through the explanations of the New Testi…they do not read the Hebrew in the same way that NON xtians read and understand it.

    I say it that way because this isn’t a Jew VS xtian thing..this ABILITY to see what I describe..it is a NON xtian vs xtian thing..because if you are NOT indoctrinated to interpret the books of their “Old Testi” through the lens of their New Testi, and begin reading from Genesis forward in context alone..also using historical contexts..then you will get a very different understanding of the texts that what xtian doctrine teaches about them.

    Reading the Tanakh in CONTEXT has often been an impetus for many people to want to become Jews. A few converts I have met told me that had in fact been a beginning step to their desire to learn more about Judaism and was sometimes a shocking experience to see the differences in what they read on their own and what they had been told was there. Jews do not actively seek converts, but from the time of Abraham, the eternal covenant has accepted converts as full members of the covenant. One does not have to be a member of the covenant of Israel to know GD. I repeat that because it is also often misrepresented that Jews share a belief that xtians espouse of exclusivity to GD. GD is not exclusive to the Jew, but GD commands the Jew to be exclusive to GD. There is a difference.

    I challenge anyone to see for themselves if what I say is true. Read from Genesis forward to the end..without using the New Testi to tell you anything about the texts you read..and you will see that for the people who choose to believe in those texts as a path of life, worship of or through a human being is something that will never happen. ONLY the omnipotent, incorporeal Creator will be worshipped and connected with directly. You will also recognize that every time the Jewish people abandoned the eternal covenant to adopt foreign god notions and tried to make a mish mash of idolatrous beliefs they thought compatible with Torah, the Jews suffered at the very hands of the people whose deities and paths they corrupted the Torah with. Yet those stories are most often taken out of context to try to claim either that all Jews were evil and abandoned GD or that Jews weren’t monotheist. In every generation there have been Jews to remain steadfast and Jews who abandoned Torah or who tried to claim that following a false god was following Torah! Today is no different in that regard.

    ( Torah = teaching/law and refers to the covenant called ETERNAL within the Tanakh FAR more than a dozen times)

    The concept that GD was only available to Jews has always been foreign to Jewish belief. Gentiles worshipped GD directly at both first and second Temples. King Cyrus, a non Jewish King is called a ‘anointed king in he Tanakh.

    Jews do not believe that one must be a Jew to know GD, merit blessing or live a fulfilling life, nor do we believe that non-Jews are condemned to a firey underworld hell.

    xtianity redefined Judaism for their own purposes, but can never redefine it for the Jewish people or for anyone else who does not choose to claim that the New Testicle writers had the authority to change what was believed by the Jewish people for more than 1500 years prior to its appearance that it is ETERNAL.

    It stil exists despite 2000 years of efforts to do away with it.

    The Quran that appeared after xtianity has also been unable to obliterate it…and it is a replacement theology to both Judaism and xtianity.

    Jez** was never an anointed ruler of Israel, did not break the yolk of political and religious persecution for all people, did not lead the world to universal knowledge and understanding of God, did not bring universal peace and brotherhood and thus filled etc etc etc,NONE of the promises of the Davidic messiah.( too countless to list) The very existence of missionaries is a de-facto admission of the failure of Jez** to do any of the job promised of the Davidic messiah.’

    The religion that was created to make a Jew an object of worship, did however, see to the greatest persecutions of the Jewish people and the destruction of more nations and aboriginal cultures and religions than I can even name in the spaces allotted. That’s the exact opposite of the messianic role.

    The destruction of the FIRST Temple is prophecied in Ezekiel..condemnation fo the worship of Tammuz, a deity who died each year and was resurrected each spring by Ishtar and the women “wailing” for his rebirth on the steps of the Temple is mentioned as abominations..the SECOND Temple was destroyed by the Romans and Hellenized apostate Jews just after the worship of another man/god had appeared in Judea..Coincidence?

    Jews who know our history and Tanakh IN CONTEXT know better. Worship of a human or any false deity has always brought the Jewish people disaster. The Jewish people remain today because of our steadfast faith in GD ALONE
    Anyway JDL thats a few of my peeves here, and I do appreciate you explaining all the ways the xtians like to express their “love”….lol…

  • 3 Mark Weiser // Jan 31, 2010 at 8:32 am

    There is a far more deeper and sinster motivation or desire within each Christian that compells them to belive or understand that THEY have the inside track or understanding beyond the words on the paper and the learned wisdom and knowledge of the Sages of the Jewish people. There is the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit with the Christian religion that alledges that each Christian gets direct instructions from the Creator and therefore any words or understanding of the written words of the Torah are meaningless to that Christian since they belive they have the Divine connection to the understanding and interptation of the Tanach/Torah. This is a very dangerous mindset due to the fact that there are no controls or gates to keep each Christian to interput as she or he sees fit and then says it is a direct communication from the Creator.

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