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FROM DINA:
I stumbled across your blog on the web and I have a question for you. And as you can see from the way I phrase it that I am a secular Jew.
If this is true (what you say in your blog)
‘WE ALL HAVE TO TRY A LITTLE HARDER..AND WE ARE NOT ABSOLVED FROM SIN FOR CALLING OURSELFS SECULAR OR REFORM…. Moshe Rabbeinu came down with ONE SET OF LAWS FOR ALL JEWS . Not 3 different sets. I was not judging anyone but merely showing the folly of lying to themselves about what their actions are versus what the TORAH ASKS OF US.’
How can we account for the multiplicity in interpretations in midrash and even in midrash halakha? Also don’t our interpretations change over time as a result of our changed circumstances and aren’t such changes accommodated even in Orthodox Judaism through the concept of hidush?
What types of hidush are miqubal and what aren’t and who has the right to decide?
Here is another idea I have been considering. In the diaspora adherence to the rulings of the batei din, at least for most Jews who are not Orthodox is voluntary. And there is also a phenomenon of hazara besheela among Orthodox or former Orthodox, which creates another category of Jews for whom adherence would be voluntary. In Israel this is not the case – perhaps this is why some of the psakei din coming from the Rabbanut seem so kaved and so inhumane and cause so much tsuris. They have the power of the state and the financial backing of the Israeli state treasury and so some feel they can use it and abuse it with immunity. Also given that calling American Jews rich is pretty ironic.
ANSWER FROM YISRAEL HAKOHANE: (see more of his insights and opinions on his page left side.)
THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX DISCUSSION BECAUSE :
Definitions must be clearly defined. Moshe Rabbeinu is the Rabbi of all Israel. No rabbi after R’Moshe Rabbeinu has a right or authority to argue or disagree with him. This fact teaches us that there are different levels, grades and extent of authority of rabbis.
Ancient rabbis similar to Rabbi Moshe knowledge of the basic principles of Torah are immutable and unchangeable. It doesnt matter what age we live in,the principles of Torah remains the same. For example, just as its forbidden to light a fire on shabbat, it is like wise forbidden to turn on a lightbulb on shabbat. In the former case, wood is burning, in the latter case a filiment is burning inside the bulb which is essentially the same. This reasoning is applied to all areas of the modern world based on the teachings of what conservative and reform call ”ancient rabbis.
This what King Solomon meant when he said ”There is nothing new under the sun” Therefore the ancient Rabbis were unparalleled giants of the mind and spirit who would make Einstien look like a grade schooler. Therefore the later Rabbis can only interprete what the earlier Rabbis say because they lack the wisdom, the depth and the spiritual insight to fully understand the Torah properly as compared with the earlier Rabbis.
The Talmud says as each generation passes we get spiritually and intellectually weaker. Therefore the orthodox Rabbis are just keepers and preservers of the unbroken chain that goes directly back to Moshe Rabbeinu to whose authority that the ONE GD OF ISRAEL commanded the future generation to adhere to.
Any deviation from this principle is not authentic Torah, is not Judaism and is not GDs will. Those so called leaders who have not followed this principle has created a man made psuedo religion which has no place in Judaism.
Many valid opinions are put forth by universally recognized and qualified authoritative Rabbis who adhere to these principles and the Torah tells us that we follow the majority of opinion. Halacha is not the chaotic fragmented mess that you have mistakenly thought it to be. Each opinion has its place and purpose that can be only determined by as described above by expert qualified Rabbis who know how to make sense of all of this.
If you are referring to specific cases then please elaborate your personal experience because all the above mention Rabbis have yirat shamayeem ,fear of GD and do not take their own personal agendas into consideration. They use the rules and laws as brought down by Moshe Rabbeinu to render a proper decision.
In every generation GD has gifted the Nation Of Israel with special unique Rabbis who is again universally recognizwed and accpeted as the wisest of thos generation for their talents in ability to understand and utilize properly Torah Law.
There is much to be said on this subject. This is just a brief answer.
GREG REPLIES:
” Therefore the later Rabbis can only interprete what the earlier Rabbis say because they lack the wisdom, the depth and the spiritual insight to fully understand the Torah properly as compared with the earlier Rabbis. The Talmud says as each generation passes we get spiritually and intellectually weaker.”
It is because they listen to the Talmud that they’ve become weaker, as it is written in the Psalms “I have more understanding than all my teachers, for Your testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Your precepts.”
Who would you say is the equivalent of Nachman today?
EDITOR TO GREG:
GREG BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS NOT POSTED. I REVERT BACK TO MY VERY FIRST ANSWER TO YOU:
YOU ARE EITHER NOT A JEW OR YOU HAVE ACCEPTED gods of other nations. I will call you a outsider.
Who is Nachman ? You dont have the right to speak of A Rabbi on a low level as you did. He is a Rabbi . Which Rabbi Nachman are you refering to?
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ATT GREG:
YES THIS IS MY BLOG
YES I CHOSE WHAT TO POST
IF YOU ARE REDUNDANT OR FOOLISH I WILL NOT POST
I AM NOT TOLERANT TO GARBAGE,MISSIONARIES, LIARS DECEIVERS OR MISSONARIES. I OWE YOU NOTHING.
I OWE TO READERS TRUTH AS DETERMINED BY ME
CERTAINLY NOT BY YOU.
I ASKED YOU.WHICH NACHMAN.
YOU SAID I KNOW
I ASKED YOU WHICH NACHMAN….
DO YOU KNOW WHICH NACHMAN YOU ARE REFERING TO?
ARE YOU TRYING TO PUT ME ON DEFENSIVE?
YOU PLAY A HIGH SCHOOL GAME OF DEBATE
I ASKED YOU WHICH NACHMAN..
AND I SAID TO PUT THE TITLE OF RABBI BEFORE THE NAME
YOU ATTEMPT TO REVERSE THE GAME ON ME..
IF YOU WANT TO PLAY WITH ME.
THIS IS MY FIELD
YOU PLAY BY MY RULES.
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AS I ACCUSED YOU OF,
YOU ARE A XTIAN MOST LIKELY
OR A HERETIC THAT BOWS TO IDOLS .
YOU UNDERSTAND ONLY THE SURFACE, LIKE A XTIAN
OR AN IGNORAMUS.
I GAVE YOU LATITUDE
YOU CHALLENGED INSTEAD OF ANSWERING
UHH UHHH IT WONT GET POSTED THAT WAY…
YOU ARE A TYPICAL MISSIONARY,
ANSWERS QUESTIONS I DIDNT ASK
ATTEMPS TO GIVE ME A GUILT TRIP FOR NOT ANSWERING YOU WITHOUT ANSWERING ME AND ANSWERING ME FOR WHAT I DIDNT ASK OF YOU
YOU TRY TO INSTILL DOUBT IN MY MIND
AND STILL SIDE STEP ANY ANSWERS THAT WILL COMMIT *YOU.
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YOU CAN ANSWER
OR BE A CASE CLOSED AND I WILL GO BACK TO TELLING THE MISISONARY STORIES I INTENDED TO ORIGINALLY POST.
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HEY JULES THE XTIAN MISSIONARY
I AM SORRY I DIDNT GET TO STEPPING ON YOUR NAME TODAY..IAM TO BUSY STEPPING ON GREG.
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YO GREG..
HOW COME YOU XTIANS NEVER TELL ME….
WHO IS IN CHARGE OF POLISHING JESES STATUES?
IS IT YOU?
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IN CHURCH,
IS POLISHING THE JESESS CROTCH A SPECIAL REWARD?
_______ ATT GREG__________
AGAIN I ASK YOU…
WHICH Rabbi Nachman are you refering to?
again Iaccuse you of being a jew4jesess
or a xtian missionary
I posted most of you comments
if there any more, I will not go through the spam and arrogant filter to find more.
Again its you that cant explain which Rabbi Nachman you refer to.
You are a typical xtian missionary
challenging reversing intimidating provoking ..and you havent come up with anything substantial….
You can repent if you are a Jew
If you are not, you can learn the ’7 Noahide laws’
if you are a gentleman you can be respectful when you address me.
I see you as a confrontational and insecure and a xtian
You are not invited to my party for kiddies any longer
I take back my invitation.
I will tell your mother about your conduct.
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FROM GREG:
Thank you, but you forgot the two in the other thread (COMING SOON, A hardcore XCHRISTIAN missionary…) and also posted these out of sequence, though I’m sure your reader will be smart enough to figure that out.
I figured you were smart enough to figure out which Nachman I was referring to because you not only referred to him as a rabbi, but also because you referred to the posts we’d just been talking about him in.
The hypocritical thing on your part is that you expect me to give respect to a rabbi who violates God’s laws yet you yourself cast aside your respect for Tovia because you felt he did the same. You’ve mocked me as (you say) Jeremy and Tovia mocked you and yet feel justified to do so because you determine what the truth is. God required you to have just scales, not one set of you and one set for ‘outsiders’. As it is, your scales don’t balance and you’ve used unjust scales which God also condemns. “Dishonest scales are an abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is His delight.”
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FROM EDITOR:
greg whats the name of your church?
greg do you polish the statues sunday morning
or on saturday.
greg ole buddy.
I dont teach xtians
I dont even care to correct you so you can use it against unsuspecting JEWS.
Your technique is to use a drop of knowledge as a weapon…
if I add to that drop, then I would be responsible for GD FORBID any damage to a JEW.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS WRONG
YOU CAN HAVE A SHARE IN THE WORLD TO COME
IF YOU REPENT ACCORDING TO THE LAWS BROUGHT DOWN BY MOSES.
START WITH LEARNING THE 2nd COMMANDMENT WITH THE COMMENTARY…
BUT NOT PUBLISHED BY THE XTIAN PUBLISHING COMPANY.
THEN BUY 2 BOOKS CALLED
1) SEVEN COLORS OF THE RAINBOW
2)PATH OF THE RIGHTOUS GENTILE
IF YOU ARE A JEW
YOU ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE
YOU NEED TO BUY A 3rd BOOK CALLED
”TO BE A JEW’
IF THESE DONT AFFECT YOU
THEN BUY A LIFETIME PASS TO DISNEYLAND
GO DIRECTLY TO MAGIC KINGDOM
TAKE A ROOM WITH DUMBO OR PLUTO
PLEASE LEAVE MICKEY ALONE
HE IS JUST AS LOST AS YOU
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FROM GREG:
David, not meaning to repeat myself here, but I said earlier,
“It is because they listen to the Talmud that they’ve become weaker, as it is written in the Psalms “I have more understanding than all my teachers, for Your testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients, because I keep Your precepts.””
So, again, what benefit is there in the commentaries? How have they helped you? You focus on the Second commandment while forsaking the rest. What have you corrected me with? What passage, what Truth of God through Moses? Nothing. Instead, you yell, insult and try and provoke through empty and childish taunts like polishing statues and visiting amusement parks. Seriously, where in the law and testimonies does it cover that?
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FROM EDITOR:
IT SAYS,
‘DO NOT BE KIND TO THE MISSIONARY’ DEUT.
IT SAYS
‘SPEAK TO A FOOL IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE’ KING SOLOMON
AND YOU STILL DO NOT REVEAL WHO YOU ARE
You still play the game of reversing and deceit.
I am not provoking. I am responding, another misisonary tactic TO MAKE ME feel guilty.You’re a joke.
I post all your stuff so readers can see through you.
I must call your church to retrain you with up to date tactics.
your evasiveness makes more feel you are xtian.You pull out a line here and a line there and create a whole imaginary story.
Its called ‘forcing an answer’
same as you twist all other HEBREW SRIPTURES.
The more I read your posts to me the more I despise you
for what you do to weaker JEWS.
WHO IS RABBI NACHMAN?
I just met someone who can let you use his ‘time share’ in Disneyland until you buy your permanent spot.
